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Saturday, June 30, 2007

Why Amway/Quixtar/BWW is a Scam?

You may be wondering why I call a 2 billion dollar company a scam.

You may be wondering Why motivational organizations like BWW, Network 21, WWDB, TEAM etc are scams.

When I was active in the Quixtar business, there were speakers in the BWW conferences and cds who gave ways of handling Objections. The Main objection they tried to handle is HOW TO ANSWER IF SOMEBODY ASKS WHETHER AMWAY/QUIXTAR IS A SCAM? or more politely: WHETHER THIS QUIXTAR/AMWAY THING REALLY WORKS? or further more politely: WHETHER I CAN REALLY MAKE MONEY THRU' THIS BUSINESS?

Answer you'll get is : See the rich people on the stage! which hardly matters for you as you'll have a question in mind whether it works for me! Rather than giving or getting any concrete answers, you'll be introduced to couple of "rich" Amway/Quixtar salesman (IBOs) who motivates you further without explaining HOW IT WORKS!

I always wondered at that time- Why the BWW conferences focus on proving Quixtar business is not a scam or this thing really works? So, like anybody else, I doubted whether it's a scam! It's like attending a "business training" where you hear and learn ONLY efforts to prove it's not scam! How would you feel when you join a university for a program and pay all tuition fees and all they teach is about the CREDIBILITY OF THE UNIVERSITY AND THAT THE RECOGNITION OF THEIR DEGREES ARE NOT FAKE! LOL

Top Reason for believing that Quixtar/Amway/BWW is a scam!


1. People are recruited to Quixtar with "Fake promises of making extra income in free time without having to make any investment". They hide the fact that you will need to buy overpriced products for at least $300 every month, sell these overpriced products if you want to make money and spend extra couple of hundreds for buying cds, books and going to conference. Nobody told you that you wont get any help from your uplines, if you don't buy cds, books and tapes and don't attend conferences and meetings at your own expenses. So, what do you call if you are provided fabricated information and fake promises while being recruited- A Scam or NOT?

2. If 90% people never makes money in Quixtar and quit, and the remaining 10% takes advantage of these 90% and makes money, what do you call it-SCAM OR NOT? If not, why should we blame corrupted politicians, gang lords, mafia or even petty thieves? If you call people who loose money in Quixtar as Looser and who exploit these people and make money as winners; then all these corrupted politicians should be called Winners?

3. If you were told not to mention the name of AMWAY/Quixtar while recruiting new people, what do you call that kinda business? You're doing a business with a company (or selling products of a company) whose name can't be mentioned while selling its products or even recruiting new people. If it's not a scam, why don't you tell "PROUDLY" that you're a Amway/Quixtar salesman while hunting for new people at malls, grocery stores etc Why do the so called RICH PEOPLE ON THE STAGE don't mention the name of Amway/Quixtar at a recruiting seminar/open meetings?

4. You're asked to handle the objections of "Scam" by pointing out that Amway/Quixtar is a 2 billion dollar company and that FTC didn't shut it down and Partner store trusted them. You are bothered about the COMPANY ONLY if you're attending a job interview at that company or trying to get a job there. Otherwise you don't have many things to do with that company or its reputation. For doing business, all you need to care is whether the BUSINESS PLAN IS A SCAM OR NOT!

Let me explain why Amway plan is a scam!

AMWAY/QUIXTAR Business plan is a SCAM- BWW Promises are FAKE!

1.Amway is selling its 30 year old pyramid business plan. Nothing changed (other than change of name) when it started its online business with a name Quixtar. Nothing is going to happen when Quixtar will be renamed back to Amway! In the initial stages, when nobody is aware of what a MLM is, many people who joined first and during that time MADE MONEY! So, the rich people whom you see on the stage like Bill Britt, Dexter Yager, Kanti Gala, Raj Shah, Ganesh Shenoy, Ron Puryear etc are old Amway distributors who joined in the intial wave. Now the business is almost stagnated and it's hard to convince anybody that Amway/Quixtar plan works because the boat is already sailed long back and now people are aware of what MLM scams are and how this works!

2. People made money in Pyramid schemes and money chains when it was started as less people were aware of it. FTC shut down pyramid schemes and money chain due to its fraudulent nature. Then you may be wondering why PYRAMID SCHEME LIKE AMWAY WAS NOT SHUT DOWN. FTC's ruling was that pyramid scheme is the one where just recruiting and money flow happens and not the movement of products and goods. Amway found a workaround by selling products to downlines and faking it as "sales" made to other people other than its distributors/ibos. Laws have loopholes and politicians are corrupt. That's why there are Amways, Enrons etc. Not becoz, these are perfect companies which sell genuine plans! Forgot to mention, Amway's president Rich DeVos was the Republican candidate for Michigan Governor. So, you can imagine where all his roots penetrate!

3. If you are planning to do a business with a company, ALL YOU CARE IS WHETHER THEIR BUSINESS PLAN WORKS OR WHETHER YOU CAN REALLY MAKE MONEY BY DOING THE BUSINESS. Answer to whether business plan works is NOT THAT AMWAY IS A 2 Billions Dollar company. A 2 Billion dollar company doesn't give away million $$$ for all people who register as their IBO. ALL YOU NEED TO CARE IS WHETHER THE BUSINESS PLAN HAS A SCOPE OF MAKING ATLEAST COUPLE OF HUNDREDS BY DOING BUSINESS WITH A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY? If your commonsense doesn't allow to see it in their business plan, then runaway. Don't take any verbal promises. See it in paper and judge it.

4. BWW and its "follower Quixtar/Amway IBOs" gave you fake promises of getting "rich" by doing Amway business, you have every right to know HOW? If somebody don't have a direct answer for this question, you can doubt his motives. "Rich" is a relative term. It doesn't mean in Amway/BWW dictionary terms like Emeralds, Diamonds etc, it should be at least mean "NOT BANKRUPT" after doing Amway Business. LOL

5. If a business plan doesn't show you a potential of making money more than what you spent, do you think you can ever succeed in doing such a business? If you think that you can never succeed in that business by seeing its plan, how do you believe somebody who tell that you can make millions? If somebody hides the fact that you really make money by selling cds and books to people whom you recruit and NOT by selling Amway products, What do you call such a bussiness which hide facts? Also you're asked to hide the fact that you're an Amway salesman when you hunt people at the malls. If the entire business starts with dishonesty, how can you expect that what all promises you got from all these dishonest persons are TRUE?

So, DO YOU CALL IT A SCAM OR NOT? I call it a scam! I guess any person with minimum commonsense do!

In a nutshell

Amway business plan and practices are scam! Bww promises are fake! You won't make a single penny by joining the business run by a company whose turn over is 2 billion or even 3 trillion. LOL You make money from a business, if you see a scope of making money in their BUSINESS PLAN. If you don't see it, but still was given fake promises of becoming rich, it's FAKE. You may have to do illegal things to avoid bankruptcy.

Solution: Ask your upline or people who gave you the promises to make millions to Give the promises in writing that too in a notarized document. They'll runaway before you do! LOL

11 comments:

Ankur said...

nice post...
i also wrote a post on similar lines
http://enagar.com/2008/01/27/amway-pyramid-scheme/

MM said...

i totally agree! completely bogus stuff! my husband and i were approached by one IBO who tried to lure us into getting started. he tried every which way and we're not budging. it's a stupid company and i can't understand all these poor indian people are getting sucked in to this crap. they really need to be smarter about this.

Jay said...

I got into Quixtar about 4 years ago but it just wasn't for me. Many of the people who were "making money" weren't making more than US$300 per month but they seem quite happy about it.

I dumped the business about 2 years later. I hadn't made much but spent a good chunk of change but I look at it as a learning experience because the books and the seminars really did good for me as far as personal development was concerned - it conditioned me for success so to speak.

I think thought that there is something they are not telling you and somehow there are secrets they are hiding. The Dateline story I think revealed a bit of this dark truth but I think there is still more that we don't know. In any case I won't advise anyone to sign up to become a Quixtar IBO.

Read about my experience with Quixtar and my views on the Quixtar scam.

Anonymous said...

hey guys
i just got registrated as an ibo.they charged me 160 dollars to sign up ,,i m thinking to leave the business ,,my questions is this that why they charge you to register or become an ibo ...how much they usually charge ?

Ann Crystal said...

Check the latest fees in your IBO kit. Usually, sign up fees are around $ 35. Normally your upline will make you pay for some starter stuffs from Amway as well as CDs from your organization like BWW, Network 21, WWDB etc. As per Amway TOA, they should disclose why they got $ 160 from you. Ask for a detailed receipt. If you plan to quit, DON't OPEN ANY OF THE PRODUCTS. Just return everything to get a full refund. That's the rip off, these Amway cults do. They never mention that Amway will just refund only $35 (which is the registration fee) while the rest of the $$ you paid will go to the unwanted craps from Amway and CDS\books from your cult motivational organization like BWW, WWDB, Network 21 etc

Anonymous said...

I went to a IBO Quikstar meeting last week with friends. It's questionable to say if this "get rich scheme" they promise is really legit, I mean the sales people really did a great job of scarring me with their enthusiasm. Honestly, I wouldnt recommend going into this buisness, everyone representing the company just seemed so fake. They beat around the bush..never once do they tell you how your going to get "rich". I had alot of un-answered questions. If you ask me its a total scam! And really...whos going to buy energy drinks, makeup, or nutritional supplements over the internet? =\ Nowadays its called LONDON DRUGS people!! lol. This Quikstar thing is a total waiste of money and energy, so save it!
In life money is not just handed to you, you need to work for it. And they try to persuade you differently, think people! Use your common sense.. Do not get lured into this!

Anonymous said...

Quit! Do not believe the "exchange money for time (or the reverse) mantra they all say. Amway/Quixtar and all similar programs are fake. The only ones who make money are the top people. Don't believe the "Build it once, build it right and never re-do it again" hype. People keep leaving which means YOU have to keep replacing them! You do that by recruiting and "buying" from your upline and it never ends. Never. You will go BROKE trying this. No such thing as "be financially free in 5 years." It is all a lie. Tried it when my child was 8. Now a college student at age 23 I've lost my job, filed for baniruptcy and gone through foreclosure. Amway (nor "the church") were nowhere to be found. I'll say it again ...don't believe the hype. It's all hogwash. OLDER & WISER (more broke too)

Prabhu Ritesh said...

Friends,

Thanks for all your valuable information.One of the IBOS met my relative in a public place and has practically to lure us into getting started.This is a kind of Business that Fits the older survives.New company members only lose money in buying their products.They give u a simple idea of spend Rs 995 and get started.But in reality you may have to spend several thousands in buying products later just to recover back far from sponspering new members.

Vengador said...

thanks for the information...I was in a meeting and it's exactly how he described...If you notice the prices are more expensive than similar products in any market...They tried to convince me to start my business because I'm going back to my country in a few weeks and I drew back to do it because they are not showing that the new people get success, If in USA doesn't work I'm pretty sure that in south America would be worse.

manjucy said...

I attened seminar today at San jose, total scam....dont believe and join, be carefull.

rukoiatka said...

This is a pyramid. Kinds of this rolled through the Soviet Union in 1990's.

Those at the top make much money, closer to the bottom loose when it collapses. But you can not get to the very top unless you start pyramid or you are a friend of the one who started or got in very early. Plus you need to like this kind of "bothering people" business. BWW is an old thing so no big chance there. Members of BWW board are probably the top and likely are millionaires.

There will be pyramids like that. The newer one: www.howtoblastoff.com These days they use Internet.

If you get in be ready to get charged much because guys above want to make money and to charge others yourself if you want to make money.

But still listen to them, learn from them. They are good motivational speakers. You might try it just to get a sales person character which might help you to start your own thing. But be ready to loose some money or not to make much money. Do not believe all things you hear. Madoff had financial pyramid (those at the end lost). Robert Kiyosaki sells his books through such pyramids.

I listen to their CD's and speakers as long as that's free and do not pay anything. Not my kind of business.

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