You may be wondering why I call a 2 billion dollar company a scam.
You may be wondering Why motivational organizations like BWW, Network 21, WWDB, TEAM etc are scams.
When I was active in the Quixtar business, there were speakers in the BWW conferences and cds who gave ways of handling Objections. The Main objection they tried to handle is HOW TO ANSWER IF SOMEBODY ASKS WHETHER AMWAY/QUIXTAR IS A SCAM? or more politely: WHETHER THIS QUIXTAR/AMWAY THING REALLY WORKS? or further more politely: WHETHER I CAN REALLY MAKE MONEY THRU' THIS BUSINESS?
Answer you'll get is : See the rich people on the stage! which hardly matters for you as you'll have a question in mind whether it works for me! Rather than giving or getting any concrete answers, you'll be introduced to couple of "rich" Amway/Quixtar salesman (IBOs) who motivates you further without explaining HOW IT WORKS!
I always wondered at that time- Why the BWW conferences focus on proving Quixtar business is not a scam or this thing really works? So, like anybody else, I doubted whether it's a scam! It's like attending a "business training" where you hear and learn ONLY efforts to prove it's not scam! How would you feel when you join a university for a program and pay all tuition fees and all they teach is about the CREDIBILITY OF THE UNIVERSITY AND THAT THE RECOGNITION OF THEIR DEGREES ARE NOT FAKE! LOL
Top Reason for believing that Quixtar/Amway/BWW is a scam!
1. People are recruited to Quixtar with "Fake promises of making extra income in free time without having to make any investment". They hide the fact that you will need to buy overpriced products for at least $300 every month, sell these overpriced products if you want to make money and spend extra couple of hundreds for buying cds, books and going to conference. Nobody told you that you wont get any help from your uplines, if you don't buy cds, books and tapes and don't attend conferences and meetings at your own expenses. So, what do you call if you are provided fabricated information and fake promises while being recruited- A Scam or NOT?
2. If 90% people never makes money in Quixtar and quit, and the remaining 10% takes advantage of these 90% and makes money, what do you call it-SCAM OR NOT? If not, why should we blame corrupted politicians, gang lords, mafia or even petty thieves? If you call people who loose money in Quixtar as Looser and who exploit these people and make money as winners; then all these corrupted politicians should be called Winners?
3. If you were told not to mention the name of AMWAY/Quixtar while recruiting new people, what do you call that kinda business? You're doing a business with a company (or selling products of a company) whose name can't be mentioned while selling its products or even recruiting new people. If it's not a scam, why don't you tell "PROUDLY" that you're a Amway/Quixtar salesman while hunting for new people at malls, grocery stores etc Why do the so called RICH PEOPLE ON THE STAGE don't mention the name of Amway/Quixtar at a recruiting seminar/open meetings?
4. You're asked to handle the objections of "Scam" by pointing out that Amway/Quixtar is a 2 billion dollar company and that FTC didn't shut it down and Partner store trusted them. You are bothered about the COMPANY ONLY if you're attending a job interview at that company or trying to get a job there. Otherwise you don't have many things to do with that company or its reputation. For doing business, all you need to care is whether the BUSINESS PLAN IS A SCAM OR NOT!
Let me explain why Amway plan is a scam!
AMWAY/QUIXTAR Business plan is a SCAM- BWW Promises are FAKE!
1.Amway is selling its 30 year old pyramid business plan. Nothing changed (other than change of name) when it started its online business with a name Quixtar. Nothing is going to happen when Quixtar will be renamed back to Amway! In the initial stages, when nobody is aware of what a MLM is, many people who joined first and during that time MADE MONEY! So, the rich people whom you see on the stage like Bill Britt, Dexter Yager, Kanti Gala, Raj Shah, Ganesh Shenoy, Ron Puryear etc are old Amway distributors who joined in the intial wave. Now the business is almost stagnated and it's hard to convince anybody that Amway/Quixtar plan works because the boat is already sailed long back and now people are aware of what MLM scams are and how this works!
2. People made money in Pyramid schemes and money chains when it was started as less people were aware of it. FTC shut down pyramid schemes and money chain due to its fraudulent nature. Then you may be wondering why PYRAMID SCHEME LIKE AMWAY WAS NOT SHUT DOWN. FTC's ruling was that pyramid scheme is the one where just recruiting and money flow happens and not the movement of products and goods. Amway found a workaround by selling products to downlines and faking it as "sales" made to other people other than its distributors/ibos. Laws have loopholes and politicians are corrupt. That's why there are Amways, Enrons etc. Not becoz, these are perfect companies which sell genuine plans! Forgot to mention, Amway's president Rich DeVos was the Republican candidate for Michigan Governor. So, you can imagine where all his roots penetrate!
3. If you are planning to do a business with a company, ALL YOU CARE IS WHETHER THEIR BUSINESS PLAN WORKS OR WHETHER YOU CAN REALLY MAKE MONEY BY DOING THE BUSINESS. Answer to whether business plan works is NOT THAT AMWAY IS A 2 Billions Dollar company. A 2 Billion dollar company doesn't give away million $$$ for all people who register as their IBO. ALL YOU NEED TO CARE IS WHETHER THE BUSINESS PLAN HAS A SCOPE OF MAKING ATLEAST COUPLE OF HUNDREDS BY DOING BUSINESS WITH A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY? If your commonsense doesn't allow to see it in their business plan, then runaway. Don't take any verbal promises. See it in paper and judge it.
4. BWW and its "follower Quixtar/Amway IBOs" gave you fake promises of getting "rich" by doing Amway business, you have every right to know HOW? If somebody don't have a direct answer for this question, you can doubt his motives. "Rich" is a relative term. It doesn't mean in Amway/BWW dictionary terms like Emeralds, Diamonds etc, it should be at least mean "NOT BANKRUPT" after doing Amway Business. LOL
5. If a business plan doesn't show you a potential of making money more than what you spent, do you think you can ever succeed in doing such a business? If you think that you can never succeed in that business by seeing its plan, how do you believe somebody who tell that you can make millions? If somebody hides the fact that you really make money by selling cds and books to people whom you recruit and NOT by selling Amway products, What do you call such a bussiness which hide facts? Also you're asked to hide the fact that you're an Amway salesman when you hunt people at the malls. If the entire business starts with dishonesty, how can you expect that what all promises you got from all these dishonest persons are TRUE?
So, DO YOU CALL IT A SCAM OR NOT? I call it a scam! I guess any person with minimum commonsense do!
In a nutshell
Amway business plan and practices are scam! Bww promises are fake! You won't make a single penny by joining the business run by a company whose turn over is 2 billion or even 3 trillion. LOL You make money from a business, if you see a scope of making money in their BUSINESS PLAN. If you don't see it, but still was given fake promises of becoming rich, it's FAKE. You may have to do illegal things to avoid bankruptcy.
Solution: Ask your upline or people who gave you the promises to make millions to Give the promises in writing that too in a notarized document. They'll runaway before you do! LOL
You may be wondering Why motivational organizations like BWW, Network 21, WWDB, TEAM etc are scams.
When I was active in the Quixtar business, there were speakers in the BWW conferences and cds who gave ways of handling Objections. The Main objection they tried to handle is HOW TO ANSWER IF SOMEBODY ASKS WHETHER AMWAY/QUIXTAR IS A SCAM? or more politely: WHETHER THIS QUIXTAR/AMWAY THING REALLY WORKS? or further more politely: WHETHER I CAN REALLY MAKE MONEY THRU' THIS BUSINESS?
Answer you'll get is : See the rich people on the stage! which hardly matters for you as you'll have a question in mind whether it works for me! Rather than giving or getting any concrete answers, you'll be introduced to couple of "rich" Amway/Quixtar salesman (IBOs) who motivates you further without explaining HOW IT WORKS!
I always wondered at that time- Why the BWW conferences focus on proving Quixtar business is not a scam or this thing really works? So, like anybody else, I doubted whether it's a scam! It's like attending a "business training" where you hear and learn ONLY efforts to prove it's not scam! How would you feel when you join a university for a program and pay all tuition fees and all they teach is about the CREDIBILITY OF THE UNIVERSITY AND THAT THE RECOGNITION OF THEIR DEGREES ARE NOT FAKE! LOL
Top Reason for believing that Quixtar/Amway/BWW is a scam!
1. People are recruited to Quixtar with "Fake promises of making extra income in free time without having to make any investment". They hide the fact that you will need to buy overpriced products for at least $300 every month, sell these overpriced products if you want to make money and spend extra couple of hundreds for buying cds, books and going to conference. Nobody told you that you wont get any help from your uplines, if you don't buy cds, books and tapes and don't attend conferences and meetings at your own expenses. So, what do you call if you are provided fabricated information and fake promises while being recruited- A Scam or NOT?
2. If 90% people never makes money in Quixtar and quit, and the remaining 10% takes advantage of these 90% and makes money, what do you call it-SCAM OR NOT? If not, why should we blame corrupted politicians, gang lords, mafia or even petty thieves? If you call people who loose money in Quixtar as Looser and who exploit these people and make money as winners; then all these corrupted politicians should be called Winners?
3. If you were told not to mention the name of AMWAY/Quixtar while recruiting new people, what do you call that kinda business? You're doing a business with a company (or selling products of a company) whose name can't be mentioned while selling its products or even recruiting new people. If it's not a scam, why don't you tell "PROUDLY" that you're a Amway/Quixtar salesman while hunting for new people at malls, grocery stores etc Why do the so called RICH PEOPLE ON THE STAGE don't mention the name of Amway/Quixtar at a recruiting seminar/open meetings?
4. You're asked to handle the objections of "Scam" by pointing out that Amway/Quixtar is a 2 billion dollar company and that FTC didn't shut it down and Partner store trusted them. You are bothered about the COMPANY ONLY if you're attending a job interview at that company or trying to get a job there. Otherwise you don't have many things to do with that company or its reputation. For doing business, all you need to care is whether the BUSINESS PLAN IS A SCAM OR NOT!
Let me explain why Amway plan is a scam!
AMWAY/QUIXTAR Business plan is a SCAM- BWW Promises are FAKE!
1.Amway is selling its 30 year old pyramid business plan. Nothing changed (other than change of name) when it started its online business with a name Quixtar. Nothing is going to happen when Quixtar will be renamed back to Amway! In the initial stages, when nobody is aware of what a MLM is, many people who joined first and during that time MADE MONEY! So, the rich people whom you see on the stage like Bill Britt, Dexter Yager, Kanti Gala, Raj Shah, Ganesh Shenoy, Ron Puryear etc are old Amway distributors who joined in the intial wave. Now the business is almost stagnated and it's hard to convince anybody that Amway/Quixtar plan works because the boat is already sailed long back and now people are aware of what MLM scams are and how this works!
2. People made money in Pyramid schemes and money chains when it was started as less people were aware of it. FTC shut down pyramid schemes and money chain due to its fraudulent nature. Then you may be wondering why PYRAMID SCHEME LIKE AMWAY WAS NOT SHUT DOWN. FTC's ruling was that pyramid scheme is the one where just recruiting and money flow happens and not the movement of products and goods. Amway found a workaround by selling products to downlines and faking it as "sales" made to other people other than its distributors/ibos. Laws have loopholes and politicians are corrupt. That's why there are Amways, Enrons etc. Not becoz, these are perfect companies which sell genuine plans! Forgot to mention, Amway's president Rich DeVos was the Republican candidate for Michigan Governor. So, you can imagine where all his roots penetrate!
3. If you are planning to do a business with a company, ALL YOU CARE IS WHETHER THEIR BUSINESS PLAN WORKS OR WHETHER YOU CAN REALLY MAKE MONEY BY DOING THE BUSINESS. Answer to whether business plan works is NOT THAT AMWAY IS A 2 Billions Dollar company. A 2 Billion dollar company doesn't give away million $$$ for all people who register as their IBO. ALL YOU NEED TO CARE IS WHETHER THE BUSINESS PLAN HAS A SCOPE OF MAKING ATLEAST COUPLE OF HUNDREDS BY DOING BUSINESS WITH A BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY? If your commonsense doesn't allow to see it in their business plan, then runaway. Don't take any verbal promises. See it in paper and judge it.
4. BWW and its "follower Quixtar/Amway IBOs" gave you fake promises of getting "rich" by doing Amway business, you have every right to know HOW? If somebody don't have a direct answer for this question, you can doubt his motives. "Rich" is a relative term. It doesn't mean in Amway/BWW dictionary terms like Emeralds, Diamonds etc, it should be at least mean "NOT BANKRUPT" after doing Amway Business. LOL
5. If a business plan doesn't show you a potential of making money more than what you spent, do you think you can ever succeed in doing such a business? If you think that you can never succeed in that business by seeing its plan, how do you believe somebody who tell that you can make millions? If somebody hides the fact that you really make money by selling cds and books to people whom you recruit and NOT by selling Amway products, What do you call such a bussiness which hide facts? Also you're asked to hide the fact that you're an Amway salesman when you hunt people at the malls. If the entire business starts with dishonesty, how can you expect that what all promises you got from all these dishonest persons are TRUE?
So, DO YOU CALL IT A SCAM OR NOT? I call it a scam! I guess any person with minimum commonsense do!
In a nutshell
Amway business plan and practices are scam! Bww promises are fake! You won't make a single penny by joining the business run by a company whose turn over is 2 billion or even 3 trillion. LOL You make money from a business, if you see a scope of making money in their BUSINESS PLAN. If you don't see it, but still was given fake promises of becoming rich, it's FAKE. You may have to do illegal things to avoid bankruptcy.
Solution: Ask your upline or people who gave you the promises to make millions to Give the promises in writing that too in a notarized document. They'll runaway before you do! LOL
Comments
i also wrote a post on similar lines
http://enagar.com/2008/01/27/amway-pyramid-scheme/
I dumped the business about 2 years later. I hadn't made much but spent a good chunk of change but I look at it as a learning experience because the books and the seminars really did good for me as far as personal development was concerned - it conditioned me for success so to speak.
I think thought that there is something they are not telling you and somehow there are secrets they are hiding. The Dateline story I think revealed a bit of this dark truth but I think there is still more that we don't know. In any case I won't advise anyone to sign up to become a Quixtar IBO.
Read about my experience with Quixtar and my views on the Quixtar scam.
i just got registrated as an ibo.they charged me 160 dollars to sign up ,,i m thinking to leave the business ,,my questions is this that why they charge you to register or become an ibo ...how much they usually charge ?
In life money is not just handed to you, you need to work for it. And they try to persuade you differently, think people! Use your common sense.. Do not get lured into this!
Thanks for all your valuable information.One of the IBOS met my relative in a public place and has practically to lure us into getting started.This is a kind of Business that Fits the older survives.New company members only lose money in buying their products.They give u a simple idea of spend Rs 995 and get started.But in reality you may have to spend several thousands in buying products later just to recover back far from sponspering new members.
Those at the top make much money, closer to the bottom loose when it collapses. But you can not get to the very top unless you start pyramid or you are a friend of the one who started or got in very early. Plus you need to like this kind of "bothering people" business. BWW is an old thing so no big chance there. Members of BWW board are probably the top and likely are millionaires.
There will be pyramids like that. The newer one: www.howtoblastoff.com These days they use Internet.
If you get in be ready to get charged much because guys above want to make money and to charge others yourself if you want to make money.
But still listen to them, learn from them. They are good motivational speakers. You might try it just to get a sales person character which might help you to start your own thing. But be ready to loose some money or not to make much money. Do not believe all things you hear. Madoff had financial pyramid (those at the end lost). Robert Kiyosaki sells his books through such pyramids.
I listen to their CD's and speakers as long as that's free and do not pay anything. Not my kind of business.
This actually does work for people who do not make excuses for themselves. It may not be for you, but for those that it is, go for it.
I have never felt so good in my life. I have a downline of over 30 people right now and its awesome. We have a lot of fun.
Did you guys know that statisticaly 50 percent of the people never show the plan, buy a single product for personal use, or sell any product? Maybe if people realized this is not get rich quick doing NOTHING, there would be more success. Read the book, The Next Millionare! MLM are the wave of the future and is where the next ten million millionares will be found in the next ten years.
People use to get rich in industry, then manufacturing, then distribution. Whats next? Intellectual distribution. Its happening right now. Do educated research and not listen to random people that you do not know. They probably got in smoking a bong! They had no ambition before, why would that change once they got started? Thats why they never make money, they complain, call it a cult and a scam.
If you are wondering if this is a pyramid scheme, what is your job? Do you make more than your boss?? Does he make more than his??? and his??? No, the guys on top make all the money. Think about it.
I published your post to make others understand how much scam this MLM is? You'll need to stay atleast an year to realize that all these lies which you're promoting is for nothing. Now it's your honeymoon period with your upline and his seminar rallies. Enjoy it for the time being. When you write comment again, come up with something believable.
Also, let me know when you get your first downline ever.
FYI. if you already have 30 downlines, you should been atleast a platinum or even diamond by this time. BTW, do you know what that means.
Anyway good try buddy!
Dj Will Power
NewIncomeForLife.info
Spent significant amounts of time and money. Put my trust in people who cheated me all the way!
I have been free from this for close to a year now, and I have never been happier ever since I quit (contrary to what BWW preaches telling you will go to hell if you quit).
Check out:
http://exeagle.blogspot.com/2010/01/our-quixtaramway-global-story.html
You mentioned"your company" for Amway. Pathetically, you're neither an owner or shareholder of Amway. You're just the distributor of some of their products and some of their affiliate products. But your uplines made you believe that Amway is your company and you need to be possessive about it. After a while you'll realize this. Then, you'll stand infront of a mirror and call the one you see in the mirror- DUMBASS!
2. They didn't tell us not to google amway - but I did and found this site. U guys (those who smell the rat) confirmed what I noticed too... I.e. U won't make money - u only make the company and its top officials, make money. Do the math ppl. Something's not adding up! I feel they are running out of countries to sap and jamaica is next in line. All these yrs they existed - 52yrs and they just now thought of jamaica? ... Interesting.
3. They seemed to push that u don't need education to be rich... They (in my opinion) down played the power of education. All organizations that plan to be a success look for educated ppl. If u ever had a job, and had to fill out a job app. U will see them ask about ur educational background - gee I wonder y??? Yet amway's trojans, claim u don't need education... Strange to me. Now I know education has its limits re wealth etc, but it helps u make sensible decisions vs dumb ones!
That's my tid bit. I been seeing scams all over my country for a while now... Amway just seems like another blood sucking leech.
I just met with someone from BWW this morning.
She pass me her namecard at my store two weeks ago.
The first question(after a few charts at my store to gain my trust) is: do you ever heard of BWW?
Of course, i say no.. simply because how can i know BWW before that?
She continued: BWW is a network working with all kinds of best brand on earth...
Before she left, she ask for appointment.. well, i tot she want to have some partnership with my biz, i said OK.
At that moment, i really do not have idea what BWW really stand for....poor me.
At the time we met... she came with a man. From the beginning of the meeting till end, only the man was doing the talking, showing the slides....
In the first few slides... ah ha... i know it. It is some kinds of MLM!
(^$$^&E((*&^%#@%^&*()
Then the name "Amway" appear! BINGO... it is really MLM!
At the end of the meeting, i questions them why everything have to be made secret until the meeting time? why from the beginning of the meeting using "McDonald" as example? What is the point of spending more while i can get it cheaper at the store neary?....
Reminder to BWW, if want to do biz. Pls be honest at the first place... Amway means Amway, mention it...
Talk about work! And I mean work;spending every hour you have try to make your "money" work for you. You want to make money, without an education, is doing basically what my Dad did trying to make ends meet when i was little! Dude, not cool....
5000$ was lost in cds, tapes, books, seminars, products and car gas.
I had also lost all my time during that time and peace of mind.
I did meet couple of guys recently in 2011. They joined this in 2001 and left in 2009. They were there in this business for 7 to 10 years.
They lost more than 100k and lost job and are in very bad position.
Please do not join this, 5 people will enjoy at the expense of 1000 people.
I had very hard time to even quit.I lost couple of thousand $$ and a lot of valuable time I would have spent with my family n friends which you can't get back.
simple advice:spread the word and save the world..from this scam...
especially GALA team leaders have taken big disadvantage of their community's honesty and loyalty.they cannot be forgiven..they will pay for it,one or the other way..we are already seeing splits and law suits among king pins for system money..big greeeed..its all their downlines hard earned money going to their pockets in the name of system/support cost..what a balloony..
they preach about home team and on other side we see and hear about split marriages in BWW/Gala or any other teams..what a contrast..its all about "comes around and goes around"
I was there for about 6-7 years..i will not recommend this culty biz. to even my enemy..!!
I recommend new ibos or any ibo to check Dateline NBC diamond story of Bo Short,and listen Rich Devos (amway founder)directly speaking audio and it will open your blindfolds of so called success system.
thanks for sharing
we are in the same boat too
but haven't registered.😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
saved !!!
We are a decade down the line since his comment and not a single MLM millionaire is to be found around. I have been a critique of this MLM since beginning arguing that they won't work. I am glad to note that I didn't think wrong.
Remember people, anything that makes money, people will be automatically driven towards it. Anything that requires selling dreams and persuasion is to make money off you not for you.